1 00:00:08,470 --> 00:00:07,030 so a ton of human research experiments 2 00:00:09,990 --> 00:00:08,480 take place onboard the international 3 00:00:11,270 --> 00:00:10,000 space station because a lot happens to 4 00:00:13,430 --> 00:00:11,280 the human body when you're in 5 00:00:15,509 --> 00:00:13,440 microgravity i'm joined now by one of 6 00:00:17,510 --> 00:00:15,519 the principal investigators for one such 7 00:00:20,310 --> 00:00:17,520 research study dr stephen boyd who's the 8 00:00:21,830 --> 00:00:20,320 pi for the t-bone study and you got you 9 00:00:23,509 --> 00:00:21,840 guys are looking at bones you're looking 10 00:00:25,189 --> 00:00:23,519 at you know kind of the 11 00:00:27,109 --> 00:00:25,199 deep insides of our bodies when you're 12 00:00:29,269 --> 00:00:27,119 up there first off give me a little 13 00:00:31,269 --> 00:00:29,279 general background what happens to bones 14 00:00:33,430 --> 00:00:31,279 when you're up in microgravity oh thanks 15 00:00:35,190 --> 00:00:33,440 dan um 16 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:35,200 well what we know that for sure when 17 00:00:38,069 --> 00:00:36,559 where people are spending time in space 18 00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:38,079 there's a lot of uh 19 00:00:40,950 --> 00:00:39,680 the lack of gravity which is something 20 00:00:42,229 --> 00:00:40,960 that we've experienced every day on 21 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:42,239 earth 22 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:43,920 isn't existing anymore and so with those 23 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:45,920 bone with the lack of gravity our bones 24 00:00:50,709 --> 00:00:47,840 actually adapt very quickly 25 00:00:53,590 --> 00:00:50,719 so normally as we get older we'll lose 26 00:00:55,590 --> 00:00:53,600 about a percent of bone mass per year 27 00:00:57,750 --> 00:00:55,600 um on earth but when we're in space 28 00:00:59,510 --> 00:00:57,760 actually we can lose up to one to one 29 00:01:01,750 --> 00:00:59,520 and a half percent per month so it's 30 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:01,760 kind of like aging and fast motion 31 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:03,520 exactly it's a really accelerated aging 32 00:01:08,310 --> 00:01:05,519 process for for your bones 33 00:01:10,149 --> 00:01:08,320 and so that can really affect um 34 00:01:12,789 --> 00:01:10,159 the most important thing is it'll affect 35 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:12,799 is your bone strength possibly so 36 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:15,040 what we're interested in is what happens 37 00:01:20,469 --> 00:01:17,520 in the space in the space environment in 38 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:20,479 terms of the bones both in terms of 39 00:01:24,149 --> 00:01:22,560 how much bone loss that occurs and how 40 00:01:25,510 --> 00:01:24,159 that might influence the bone strength 41 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:25,520 okay and you guys are going to be 42 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:27,520 testing out a new technique for this 43 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:28,960 research study why don't you tell me a 44 00:01:32,310 --> 00:01:30,479 little bit about what you guys are doing 45 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:32,320 that's new to help track this bone loss 46 00:01:35,990 --> 00:01:34,479 in the astronauts well the typical way 47 00:01:38,870 --> 00:01:36,000 that people measure bones is they look 48 00:01:40,789 --> 00:01:38,880 at bone density and that's a standard 49 00:01:42,950 --> 00:01:40,799 tool we use on earth all the time for 50 00:01:45,030 --> 00:01:42,960 measuring how how well people's bones 51 00:01:46,389 --> 00:01:45,040 are are adapted to the 52 00:01:48,550 --> 00:01:46,399 their function 53 00:01:50,069 --> 00:01:48,560 um the problem with bone density is it's 54 00:01:52,630 --> 00:01:50,079 really a measure of how much bone we 55 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:52,640 have what we're using is a new tool that 56 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:54,720 can measure at very high resolution the 57 00:01:59,990 --> 00:01:56,960 three-dimensional bone architecture we 58 00:02:01,510 --> 00:02:00,000 do this at the wrist and ankle of people 59 00:02:03,429 --> 00:02:01,520 but we can measure at a resolution of 60 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:03,439 about 60 micrometers which if you 61 00:02:08,710 --> 00:02:05,280 compare to human hair which is about 100 62 00:02:10,790 --> 00:02:08,720 micrometers oh wow it's very fine detail 63 00:02:12,309 --> 00:02:10,800 so as opposed to looking at density what 64 00:02:14,070 --> 00:02:12,319 we're interested in is looking at the 65 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:14,080 underlying structure 66 00:02:18,790 --> 00:02:16,720 density is an important measure and it's 67 00:02:21,190 --> 00:02:18,800 typically of interest because it can 68 00:02:22,790 --> 00:02:21,200 relate to how strong somebody's bones 69 00:02:24,229 --> 00:02:22,800 are but fundamentally what we really 70 00:02:26,790 --> 00:02:24,239 want to know is is the strength of the 71 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:26,800 bones not particularly their density and 72 00:02:30,630 --> 00:02:28,800 so by looking at this detailed micro 73 00:02:32,470 --> 00:02:30,640 architecture this this detailed 74 00:02:34,309 --> 00:02:32,480 structure we get a much better idea of 75 00:02:37,030 --> 00:02:34,319 what's going on in terms of adaptation 76 00:02:38,229 --> 00:02:37,040 to the loads or lack thereof in space so 77 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:38,239 really just kind of getting the whole 78 00:02:41,270 --> 00:02:40,000 picture so i know one of the other 79 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:41,280 things you guys are looking for is 80 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:43,440 actually the susceptibility that 81 00:02:48,390 --> 00:02:45,200 individuals might have to bone loss is 82 00:02:50,869 --> 00:02:48,400 that true that's right so if if we can 83 00:02:52,550 --> 00:02:50,879 look at the long-term effects of of this 84 00:02:53,750 --> 00:02:52,560 bone loss in space with with the 85 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:53,760 astronauts 86 00:02:58,309 --> 00:02:55,680 we will be able to track very precisely 87 00:02:59,830 --> 00:02:58,319 how that architecture changes over time 88 00:03:01,750 --> 00:02:59,840 and so when we get a better 89 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:01,760 understanding of how that architecture 90 00:03:05,910 --> 00:03:04,319 relates to the bone strength then we can 91 00:03:08,149 --> 00:03:05,920 use that information so that when we 92 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:08,159 bring a new person into a study or an 93 00:03:11,990 --> 00:03:10,159 investigation we can already see where 94 00:03:14,630 --> 00:03:12,000 they are relative to the other data that 95 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:14,640 we've already collected so so 96 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:16,480 what is this study going to mean for 97 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:17,840 future space fliers what are you guys 98 00:03:21,509 --> 00:03:19,440 hoping to learn from this that's going 99 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:21,519 to you know make the job easier make the 100 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:23,680 job better for the astronauts of 101 00:03:28,710 --> 00:03:25,920 tomorrow well we're really wanting to 102 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:28,720 shift away or add to i guess our 103 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:31,040 measures of bone density to understand 104 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:33,200 the long-term consequences so what's 105 00:03:37,030 --> 00:03:35,280 really interesting for us actually is 106 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:37,040 not only what happens to 107 00:03:41,030 --> 00:03:38,560 the bones during space but what happens 108 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:41,040 during the recovery period so 109 00:03:44,309 --> 00:03:42,799 typically the way we measure recovery 110 00:03:47,110 --> 00:03:44,319 right now for bones is we look at bone 111 00:03:48,869 --> 00:03:47,120 density and typically after a year or so 112 00:03:50,869 --> 00:03:48,879 people get back to close to normal 113 00:03:51,990 --> 00:03:50,879 levels after being in space 114 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:52,000 but 115 00:03:55,190 --> 00:03:53,680 what we know is that the underlying 116 00:03:57,270 --> 00:03:55,200 micro architecture this structure 117 00:03:59,429 --> 00:03:57,280 underneath may not be the same as it was 118 00:04:00,390 --> 00:03:59,439 before they left earth 119 00:04:01,830 --> 00:04:00,400 and so 120 00:04:03,429 --> 00:04:01,840 that kind of information will not only 121 00:04:06,149 --> 00:04:03,439 be important for understanding long-term 122 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:06,159 space flight for for astronauts but will 123 00:04:09,509 --> 00:04:07,680 also be important for understanding the 124 00:04:11,429 --> 00:04:09,519 long-term uh implications of bone 125 00:04:15,110 --> 00:04:11,439 architectural changes in people on earth 126 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:15,120 okay so and final question so we talked 127 00:04:18,550 --> 00:04:16,720 a little bit about the beginning how 128 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:18,560 being in space is kind of like aging 129 00:04:21,909 --> 00:04:20,400 everybody down here on earth is aging 130 00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:21,919 obviously are there going to be any 131 00:04:25,749 --> 00:04:23,840 benefits for those of us down here that 132 00:04:28,150 --> 00:04:25,759 aren't going to space from research like 133 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:28,160 this yeah absolutely i mean as you said 134 00:04:31,909 --> 00:04:30,080 at the at the ons at the outset of this 135 00:04:34,629 --> 00:04:31,919 uh uh discussion 136 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:34,639 that this is really a model in space of 137 00:04:39,749 --> 00:04:37,520 accelerated aging so what we can learn 138 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:39,759 in six months of of space flight would 139 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:42,400 take us a decade on earth so this really 140 00:04:45,510 --> 00:04:43,680 accelerates the whole process of 141 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:45,520 learning how microarchitecture relates 142 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:48,320 to uh bone strength in the end so really 143 00:04:51,749 --> 00:04:50,000 interested in these outcomes very very 144 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:51,759 cool stuff again dr stephen boyd the 145 00:04:55,590 --> 00:04:54,000 principal investigator of t-bone one of 146 00:04:57,189 --> 00:04:55,600 the new bone studies taking place right 147 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:57,199 now on board the international space 148 00:05:00,150 --> 00:04:58,400 station doctor thanks so much for